Ban Mido & Akabane vs Molecule Man & Beyonder

Ban Mido

Kuroudo Akabane

vs

Molecule Man

Beyonder

Spite.

@cosmic_lantern: spite??? why???

@loki_d: Beyonder, even cosmic cube is still beyond anyone here no pun intended.

@cosmic_lantern: Akabane's power

• Bloody Diamond Clones: Akabane can make a massive amount of clones of himself to fight at his leisure. They can even cut through diamond and share his same demonic dreadful speed and abilities.
• Divine Providence: Just like the Uncertainity Principle of Quantum Mechanics, Akabane has the ability to warp reality simply by not being able to imagine something. It was explained by Masaki Kurusu in volume 37 that Akabane's ability works in this fashion, and that if he doesn't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist. He has been shown to negate an enemy's powers by not being able to believe such a power could exist, such as when he used ordinary scalpels to cut in half Masaki's indestructible daggers of light by not being able to believe they couldn't be cut. Most notably he's been shown to negate his own death after coming back from the dead after being 'killed' in his first fight with Semimaru. When questioned he stated that he's never been able to imagine himself dying so it's unlikely he ever will^[3]. When he was turned into a mere drop of blood by Masaki Kurusu, he simply revived, due to being able to imagine death. In volume 39, Sarai Kagenuma, the man who knows everything, also commented that if Akabane doesn't believe it, then it cannot materialize.
• Transcendence: Just like other Brain Trust members, it was revealed that Akabane doesn't exist within the time frame. This is obviously a trait that is carried over no matter what dimension he is within.

Would you care to show scans as opposed to text?

@mysticmedivh: too late I can't anymore I am now on my phone. (Bad timing)

Mismatch.

@etheral_dreams: in favor of which side?

beyonder erases getbackers universe and real world japan.

@kyrees: can you back up that statement?

@loki_d: i can but that would be putting too many scans here.

what's your proof that akabane can even go beyond real world japan because being a scientist in what getbackers considered as the real world even on-par on a being that killed death and would destroy the multiverse in an instant ?

@kyrees: Uh no the Beyonder can't destroy the GetBackers universe he has no reach there. Akabane can't die and Ban is unaffected by reality warping.

@loki_d: does the term multiversal destroyer ring any bell to you ? pre-retcon beyonder is such a being and no universe is safe with him if he chooses to destroy it.

the getbackers is not a unique universe that pre-retcon beyonder won't be able to enter at all

@kyrees: His power will be below Ginji's that is for sure

@loki_d: cute but ginji has shown multiversal feats outside infinity fortress ? no so stop inflating the duo, they are no match to PR beyonder

@kyrees: lolz, Ginji recreated the GetBackers universe which is a omniverse or mega verse. Ban is nearly as strong as Ginji then there's Akabane who is a transcendental being.

Beyonder gives them superman with SA abilities and 10 days prep. Beyonder owns

@loki_d: ginji recreated a reality that is in danger because of him overusing its energy. PR beyonder came from a place outside the marvel multiverse, was not subjected to marvel multiverse's rules and can remake it accordingly if he wishes to. why is ginji, ban and akabane comparable to a being that has its own rules and is not in anyway connected to the multiverse he is currently in and he's barely even trying at this point ?

i'd lol on your defense at this point considering akabane meets ginji in real world japan, the reality we are in. PR beyonder would stuff our reality in pieces if he wanted to.

@kyrees: No it was nothing of that sort. Ginji came from a place outside of the getbackers world and he was a threat to the god "The Archive" since he had the same or similar power, he was unaffected because he was a anomaly an outsider. Ginji became the God of Creation at the end of the series. Ban is not from that world too seeing his grandmother the witch queen sealed Heaven's door and knew Ginji's mom. The Infinity Fortress is a place where all worlds, all realities, all truths, and all timelines can exist together, because many are from different timelines usually they wouldnt be affected by anyone but since the IF is all worlds they are tangible.

The Archive creates a different reality for every choice taken and not taken creating multiple realities or dimensions.

Like i said Ginji and Ban are unaffected by reality warping, and just because they don't casually bust universes or whatever that doesnt mean they are not on his level. Their powers are self belief, Ban believes he is invincible therefore he is, and Akabane negates what he cannot perceive as reality. So what if Akabane didnt acknowledge Beyonder's abilities??

http://getbackers.wikia.com/wiki/Houjutsu

All I know is Ban & Akabane are below TOAA

I will be replacing Superman i realized he doesnt belong

@loki_d: and yet the infinity fortress is connected to him whereas PR beyonder has to lower his powers to fit in the marvel multiverse. if he was a being outside it, then why is he connected to it ?

even if we assume that ginji is the god of getbackers, how does it compare to PR beyonder who is basically a TOAA level being outside the marvel multiverse ? even if the archive puts forth realities, it still won't matter to PR beyonder who affected all realities.

to say ginji and ban are not affected by reality warping because of what was stated in getbackers is practically useless when marvel dictates that our reality, earth 1218, is a part of the marvel multiverse and there's a guy beyond that said multiverse. by all means the final part of the series puts real world akabane and ginji into our world. are you going to claim that sheer will is going to trump powers that are beyond multiversal levels ?

@kyrees: I said he came from outside, his ratei form is connected to the Infinity Fortress.

Ginji is God anywhere too so i don't understand what you are trying to say, Ginji's will stands above all others at the end of the series. The Archive could put forth realities and erase them.

I see what you are trying to do, you're trying to say that the Beyonder is supreme in the the world where Ginji's mom lived in. Sadly you are incorrect, Ginji is God everywhere since the Infinity Fortress is the embodiment of everything. The Infinity Fortress is ALL worlds including the real one which is why Ginji was able to go there in the first place.

@loki_d: for a being that you claim to be outside the infinity fortress, the infinity fortress is quite connected to him. quite contradictory unlike PR beyonder.

ginji being a god "anywhere" is no indication that he can match PR beyonder who is an actual god outside the marvel multiverse because of his history so why keep on saying that infinity fortress is the embodiment of everything when the PR beyonder came from a universe that even the marvel universe and/or infinity fortress has no control or connection ? has real world akabane and ginji showed powers in real world japan ? has the archive created a reality that is not connected to it ? unlike them, the marvel continuity hasn't exactly been lacking in stating the limits of their characters and PR beyonder is one of those extremely absurd ones without limit.

heck, even if i take this scan of PR beyonder being a million times stronger than marvel multiverse seriously, i can't even use it accordingly because it's beyond my normal arguments.

@kyrees: When i said he came from somewhere outside of the Getbackers world i was referring to where the story takes place where he met his friends i did not say he existed outside of the infinity fortress. His ratei form is connected to it so basically at the start of the series he could destroy everything.

I don't care about where he came from. The Infinity Fortress is all realities and where ever the Beyonder came from his universe will be included, however none of that matters this went off topic. I don't know why you insist on mentioning real world Akabane he's not the one fighting here and the Ginji you consider real died. The fact that Ginji is there in the real world is enough to show he has power there the infinity fortress is connected to all worlds.

Enough of this.

@kyrees: You keep bringing up the real world versions in the show like any of that matters you are like those people who like to emphasize on things like genjutsu affecting only chakra it's just fiction the writers don't care about other fictional works, in fullmetal alchemist there is alchemy and the Truth but none of that exists in Naruto and vice versa.

Now tell me who wins?? I changed the battle.

@loki_d: still the point for a being outside the universe, raitei is connected to the infinity fortress

you don't care where he came from and yet you insist that the infinite fortress encompasses all realities. quite a contradiction. also insisting the infinite fortress encompasses the beyondverse is insisting the beyonderverse is a part of marvel multiverse. beyonderverse isn't connected to it. it never was prior the retcon so to insist it through sheer force isn't going to cut it here. i keep referencing real world akabane and ginji because that's the only referential point of what they can do outside the getbackers universe and they merely stood and talked in it. being in the real world has no uses especially when their opponent has been purposed by the writers to be capable of being a reality warper in that real world. inside the getbackers universe feats is only relativistic useful enough in the skyfather levels.

yes, enough of this, especially with your contradictions above. and PR beyonder still solos.

Exaclty raitei is connected to the infinity fortress just like the world you call the "real world".

There's no contradiction only truth. Honestly i forgot your reason for even mentioning these details why is the beyonderverse of importance here? No matter it doesn't exist because Ginji believes it doesn't exist. You poor soul the place you call the real world was part of the GetBackers universe the Infinity Fortress unfortunately it doesn't exist. This reality warping has no effect on the King of Creation Ginji Amano

Ginji Amano

Your Fail attempts

@loki_d: your so called truth is hardly admissible when all your arguments stem from willfull rejection of the other side of the argument and sheer insistence that said argument trumps everything. that's childish insistence and now you are resorting on making an end statement that doesn't satisfy anyone reading this and telling me that i lost an argument that there is no exact clear winner if people look objectively because of the circumstances of both sides.

you are proving your name. good for you

@kyrees: My thread, my rules I am God if you don't like it bye bye

@loki_d: and so it was proven that you are biased in your arguments. no wonder people won't take you seriously here, you are not even objective enough to look at the other side.

another thing, this is a public forum. we get to react to your thread and you don't get to say bye bye to people easily

I don't think team AkabaneactuaAkabaneact

We were having fun i must admit but you insist on talking about something that has little relevance to the battle.

Wait... "no wonder people won't take you seriously here"

This is a massive mismatch and i dont think Ban Mido's evil eye would even work on these guys.

Akabane is versatile but you have to take into consideration the scale at which he operates. Not to mention either of team could just as easily replicate exactly what Genji did by using magnetism to pull every scalpels out of Akabane's body.

Not that they need to rely on such technique anyways, either on team 2 could erase the other team with a gesture.

it had relevance once you put out akabane's powers.

It sounds like you only seen the anime am i wrong??

Dude read carefully

take your advice for once

That's not really how forums work

Marvel team

@ostarion: Hmm

I'm a getbacker fan and i have to say this Loki , they stand no chance again Beyonder and MM . The strongest character of GB is the universal King of Creation Ginji and he is nowhere near Beyonder level , and this is not ginji , this is ban who actually weaker than ginji . I'm a GB supporter , not a wanker and i say we close this thread , beyonder and mm win

I wonder did you the read the manga upside down or something.?? I must tell you Ginji is above the Beyonder end of that discussion the boat has sailed. I don't know who you are but with a post count of 1 that is fishy and i dont like fishy.

I have actually not seen the anime, just the manga.

@loki_d: what make you think ginji is above beyonder ?

Because I am not a fanboy, Ginji is TOAA. Now let's stop talking about Ginji here.